Matter

[TomekWaw]

So after seeing this today:

https://www.loxone.com/dede/blog/experimentelle-integration-des-matter-standards/

I've installed the beta to try it out.

I am disappointed to see not what I've been expecting.
I thought that it would be possible to control Matter devices (for instance Thread smart plugs connected to HomeKit via Apple TV).
Or integrate any other external Matter-enabled devices to Loxone.
Nothing of that.

For now, this integration only exposes Loxone devices (lights, switches, thermostats, etc.) to the Apple or Alexa ecosystems.
Speaking of Apple, it seems to me that it does exactly the same thing as already existing Loxone HomeKit integration, only with a different protocol.
So in Apple Home there is simply another bridge from Miniserver, which exposes basically the same devices to HomeKit.



I don't see any benefits of this so far.

However, there may be benefits from exposing Loxone devices to Alexa (or Google Home, in the future). This kind of Matter integration means that running Homebridge or Hoobs (or paying insane 1000 EUR for 1Home Bridge) will no longer be required to voice-control Loxone devices with Alexa or Google Assistant. It comes down to a relatively simple task of adding "Loxone Matter" bridge (using QR code) in the Alexa or Google Home app. This is actually huge and I like it.

I'd really love to see that Loxone will not end this on exposing devices to other ecosystems only, but will also provide way to control external Matter-enabled devices. But frankly speaking, I don't believe its gonna happen. Most probably Loxone with limit Matter integration to acting as Matter device(s) and call it a day. They will brag about "Matter support", being "Matter compatible" and "Matter certified". Why bother with allowing Matter devices to be controlled?

[Paul Sinnema]

In the Loxone Article it says "Aktueller Stand der Implementierung:
Es wird ein Matter-kompatibler Controller, wie Amazon Alexa oder Apple HomeKit benötigt, um darüber Loxone Funktionalitäten per Matter anzusteuern."

[TomekWaw]

Paul, you're right. After I've plugged in my Alexa Dot Gen3 I was able to add Loxone Matter as Hub to Alexa ecosystem. But currently it exposes one device test device only (called "First Light") so this integration is still unusable.

[Kwarts]

I have successfully integrated an Eve Motion Sensor and an Aqara contact sensor. They both control Loxone lights in my office and a pantry.
I don't use Siri, but I did test it and it works with Siri as well. I did the integration because of the high price of Loxone devices.

The integration of the motion sensor is a bit tricky. Loxone (or Apple Home Kit) integrates a motion sensor as if it was a switch. It means that the behaviour of the block is not the same as with a Loxone motion sensor. I added a push button and an edge detection block to the 'Mo' input.

But you are indeed right when you say that Loxone can't control Matter devices. In Config you can't integrate Matter or HomeKit devices.

[Paul Sinnema]

Ok, that is very nice. I didn't expect Loxone to implement Matter very soon but they did. I really hope they do the full implementation in time. It would be so nice to control all Matter Devices from the Loxone Miniserver. We will have to wait and see. The connection to Alexa and HomeKit is a nice one. I have had the 1Home box (not the Bridge) for many years now and it works pretty good. Eliminating that box from the installation would be preferable. As soon as it's out of beta I will try and implement that. Thanks for the nice tip!

[TomekWaw]

Miniserver added to Alexa ecosystem (via Echo Dot 3rd Gen). Proof of concept works, but only one test device is being added right now.

[aigiluu]

I am using Matter with iOS and it works like when using HomeKit, there are no limitations to one device. Please note that its dependent on the manufacturer you are using, what kind and what number of devices they are using which the Miniserver exposes to Matter.
Its quite still buggy on the various systems.

[topoff]

Hello,
zur info, hab gerade im Chat nachgefragt miniserver V1 wird nicht unterstützt...
Gruß
Tom

[looxer]

I tried to use it with Google Home, but had no success

[SammyWhite]

Would the Integration of Google Home make it possible to use Googlecast/ chromecast with the Audioserver?

[hagor]

Unlikely as the casting functionality is independent from Matter.

[TomekWaw]

SammyWhite No and besides comment above, Loxone Matter integration is only about exposing Loxone devices ---> to Alexa / Google / SmartThings ecosystems to control them within those ecosystems. Why would anyone want this in the first place (beside using voice assistanc / voice control) is totally unclear to me as those ecosystems are far less powerful and convenient than Loxone itself.

Anyway, its not about the way around (exposing devices connected to Apple HomeKit, Alexa or Google Home ---> to Loxone). And using Chromecast in Loxone would fit in this integration direction.

[Raven]

adding support for those yet missing big players of voice-controls itself with a single (local-only / cloud-less !!!) integration is already reason enough no?

[SammyWhite]

Thanks for the clarification. What a bummer Let's hope a wider integration is in development

[looxer]

I think it's a bit of a far stretch to say what is possible or not with Matter and Loxone. For the time being no cast functionality is implemented in the Matter standard. There are rumors that this will be part of one of the next Matter releases, but that is still all unclear. And once this is stated, we will see what Loxone makes out of such a cast feature.
Apart of that I do see the benefits of having the Audio Server supporting audio casts through Matter. For the same reason as it now supports AirPlay.

[Raven]

Google Home and Loxone Matter:


You need to add your own Matter Test-Device and add the official Matter Testing Vendor- and Product-Id into your Google Developer Account (the same account you also use on the Goggle Home Hub device!).
(This is only necessary until the Loxone Matter integration is officially certified):

• https://console.home.google.com/projects
• Create a new Project
• Add Matter Integration to the project
  • VendorID: 0xFFF1
  • ProductID: 0x8001

After saving the test project it might take some time until it is available in the Google system.
You can also try to restart the Google Hub device for an update of the account data.




Google Cast and Loxone/Matter:

Google Cast requires a hardware component to support it - in opposite to Apple Air Play which can be integrated solely by Software.

[looxer]

Habs auch am Gen 1 Hub. Hab sogar drei davon im Einsatz und alle drei booten gleichzeitig neu. Mal abwarten und Tee trinken

[Raven]

Nur zum Abgleich mein Versionsnummern am Hub:
Fuchsia: 11.20230306.3.135
Software: 52.94.21.547883872

Ansonsten würd ich mal den Google Support (ev. Chat) anschreiben. Ein ungeplanter Reboot sollte ja eigentlich nie passieren.

[looxer]

Hab die selbe Version bei mir laufen

[TomekWaw]

Apart of that I do see the benefits of having the Audio Server supporting audio casts through Matter. For the same reason as it now supports AirPlay.

Actually it doesn't (in this direction).
Although Audioserver support AirPlay as a stream target, you still can't - and probably will never able to - push an audio stream out of Audioserver to an external Airplay speaker. What all Sonos users have been "dreaming" about since Audioserver release, as LMS can do that with an Airplay Bridge plugin.
Two years later this didn't happen and will probably never happen.

So I believe playing music on Chromecast targets will also never be possible. At least I have no illusions about that.

[ktz985]

Hi, offenbar hat mit den Oktoberfest Wochen nun der Matter Support gestartet.

Konnte mir leider noch selbst kein Bild davon machen, da grad nicht zuhause. Hab bisher noch keine Testberichte auf YouTube gefunden daher frag ich mal hier:

Taugt das was?

Soweit ich gesehen hab geht es nur in eine Richtung, also man kann die Loxone als Gerät zB in den Google Home einbinden. Aber umgekehrt, also dass man Matter Geräte über Loxone ansteuern kann geht noch nicht.


Als Anwendungsbeispiel, so wie ich das verstehe:

• Es hat Potential um die 1home Bridge abzulösen um zB mit GoogleHome per Sprache meine Lichter zu schalten, dimmen und Beschattung zu steuern,... das ganze direkt im LAN und daher viel schneller.
• Die Verbindung zu meiner Philips Hue Bridge (passiert derzeit über API - Nachteil: die Loxone kennt nie den tatsächlichen Status einer Lampe) kann in der derzeitigen Ausprägung nicht durch Matter ersetzt werden.

Bitte um Erfahrungsberichte wenn jemand hiermit schon experimentiert hat bzw. um Info ob ich mit meinen Annahmen (aus der Ferne) komplett am Holzweg bin?

Liebe Grüße

Update: sorry, hab leider übersehen, dass hier in den letzten Wochen bereits auf Basis einer Beta-Version diskutiert wurde. Sehr spannend.
Hat sich seither mit diesem Release etwas geändert?
Die eigentliche Frage bleibt die selbe: "Taugt das was?"

[HAL900]

Irgendwie funktioniert das bei mir nicht wirklich. Habe heute auf die neueste MS Version upgedatet 14.4.xxx. Wenn ich den QR Code mit Alexa Scanne erhalte ich nach einer weile eine Fehlermeldung das etwas schief gelaufen sei und ich es später nochmal versuchen soll. Es werden aber 2 Feräte angelegt, das eine ist wohl der MS und das andere angeblich ein Licht, wobei das bei mir nichts schaltet.

Funktioniert das bei jemand?

[Vaddy]

Hallo zusammen
Ich habs auch mal ausprobiert. Der QR Code ging auch nicht mit dem Code und mit Standard User der alle Geräte darf war es zuviel da ging dann garnichts mehr. Ich hab dann einen neuen User angelegt der nur 3 Jalousien und 3 Lichtsteuerungen darf, mit dem hats dann mit dem Code relativ schnell geklappt. Aber von den 3 Jalousien hat er nur 2 übernommen. Dann gings eine Weile. Ich hab dann versucht dem User noch einige Rechte zu geben Jetzt ist bei Matter die LED grün (vorher blau) und es geht nix. Dann hab ich alles nochmal gelöscht neuverbunden und dasselbe nach kurzer Zeit. LED grün und nix geht.


Hat vielleicht einer eine Idee oder muss man da einfach noch abwarten, wäre schade
Gruß Vaddy

[Raven]

Wenn kein blauer Punkt kommt, heißt dass das keine Systemmeldung kommt. Das kann daran liegen dass dein Config/App User keine Admin Rechte hat?
Welche User du bei den Plugin Settings gesetzt?